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Above the Fold: Play-money efficacy

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Nov 21, 2022
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Play-money efficacy in forecasting

Many skeptics don’t think Manifold Markets can be taken seriously due to “monopoly money” not creating real incentives. However, our calibration analytics and recent performance forecasting the midterms suggest otherwise.
Check out this poll we did:

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In the current ecosystem, do you think real-money prediction markets are more likely to provide accurate forecasts?
4:19 PM ∙ Nov 17, 2022

Jack, our top all-time trader, created an awesome writeup comparing different sites.

First Sigma
Comparing election forecast accuracy
It's interesting to compare forecasts between different prediction platforms, but it's rare for them to have questions that are identical enough to compare easily. Elections offer one helpful opportunity. I scored several prediction platforms on a set of 10 questions on the outcome of the 2022 US midterm elections: Senate and House control, and several i…
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4 months ago · Jack

These are log scores, green (closer to 0) means more accurate, red (more negative) means less accurate. For comparison, predicting 50% for everything gets log score -0.69

As you can see, none of the 4 top performing sites involves real money. However, the Salem Manifold instance which works exactly the same as Manifold Markets suggests the disparity may stem from the political demographic of each site rather than a significant difference in forecasting ability.

I found this Reddit comment made some compelling arguments for play-money.

“I think we should consider the possibility that using play money might actually be better than using real money:

  • It's accessible to a larger audience of potential forecasters with more diversity in both disposable income and personality type (risk tolerance, attitude toward legal grey areas, etc.)

  • The perceived stakes of bets may be higher for the average user: instead of betting your lunch money, you might be betting a significant fraction of your available resources. We know from video games that people can really care a lot about virtual currency.

  • People with more real-life money can't buy more influence over the market. The only people with disproportionate power to push the market around are those who've already proven to be exceptional forecasters.”

Here is the article the prompted the above discussion on Reddit:

Mike’s Blog
Scoring Midterm Election Forecasts
Data and code [Posting on November 11, 2022 – at this point several elections are still unresolved (NV and AZ Senate and Governor races, AK Senate, GA Senate, control of Senate, and control of House). I’m doing the analysis with an incomplete dataset for now, since I don’t know how long it’ll take for these races to be called – and Georgia is having a ru…
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4 months ago · 8 likes · 2 comments · Mike Saint-Antoine

FTX Collapse

We have direct (received $1.5m in grants and investments) and indirect (Effective altruism) ties with FTX. Fortunately, our site will not directly be affected by recent events, although we are nevertheless deeply saddened.

With the uncertainty came a heightened interest in our markets. We saw an uptick in traffic to our site with users using our markets to elevate their understanding of the situation as it unfolded. This is becoming a common trigger for user re-engagement: breaking news → uncertainty → markets to provide some certainty.

Here are a couple of markets from the FTX Insolvency Crisis group.

Hopefully, Manifold Markets never gives out more mana than it can cover. 😬

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10:25 AM ∙ Nov 10, 2022
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Manifold in the Wild

The first thing you should read is Scott Alexander’s latest Mantic Monday which is increasingly becoming Manifold Mondays! He discusses FTX and Twitter drama, midterms calibration, and attempts to do some market manipulation of his own on Manifold!

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Mantic Monday: Twitter Chaos Edition
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4 months ago · 44 likes · 118 comments · Scott Alexander

In our previous newsletters, we often included some discussion around various links related to Manifold. For the next couple of weeks, I am instead going to experiment with creating more frequent summaries and upload them to this group on Manifold.

Here is the most recent post.

  • Fraud markets drama

  • Destiny users crash a market temporarily due to the high frequency of trades

  • Destiny users create a live stocks tracker

  • Analysis of Manifold Market’s performance in forecasting the midterms

You can still expect the newsletter to directly cover anything big happening on Manifold Markets itself. And, anything particularly spicy will be covered in more depth in the newsletter compared to the frequent posts.

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Site Updates

Not pictured: Major rework of Multiple choice markets.
They now use our fixed payout binary market system (similar to Yes/No markets). This means you can now short answers too!

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Milli
Nov 21, 2022Liked by Manifold Markets

I just want to state here that I'll boycott the FIFA World Cup in Qatar and encourage everyone else to do so as well.

In case that matters: I'm German.

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Lars Doucet
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Nov 21, 2022Liked by Manifold Markets

Now that Manifold markets are being embedded in blog posts regularly, it would be nice to have a feature that lets the embedded post show the market status at the time the article was first posted, with a toggle to show the current status as of the time it is read. Not sure what the ideal UX/presentation and defaults should be on that, but both should easily be visible in some way, or else a lot of context will be lost when a blog post is making a point related to a market's current status that has now changed significantly. Also, showing the eventual resolution will add a lot of cool context to blog posts when you go back and read them!

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